The State of the Union is Sadistic Elites on a Crime Spree
We are up against a transnational mafia, as Gaslit Nation has long warned, and the Epstein files expose it, despite the ongoing cover-up. This week, investigative journalist Dave Troy joins the show to connect the dots between Epstein, the Kremlin, and far-right operatives who have spent decades dismantling our democracy, including the Florida 2000 recount that ensured George W. Bush came to power. (Bush’s administration gave Epstein an illegal “sweetheart deal,” allowing him and Maxwell to continue their crime network, trafficking children to the ruling elite).
“The U.S. government has been infiltrated by these networks for decades,” Troy says. Epstein was not a lone wolf. He was deeply embedded in a transnational crime syndicate with ties extending to Russian intelligence and powerful oligarchs who are still trying to create a lawless "network state" where they can operate above the law.
We also discuss the dangerous complacency of assuming our institutions will protect us, especially when the very people tasked with upholding the law, from the DOJ to high-profile attorneys, protect the shadow network. Their goal is to demoralize us with complexity. By tracing their connections, we can understand their playbook and fight back.
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Andrea Chalupa (00:56):
Welcome to Gaslit Nation. I am your host, Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller, Mr. Jones, the film the Kremlin doesn't want you to see -- so be sure to watch it today. I am joined by a very special guest that I have a million questions for, and that is the investigative journalist Dave Troy, and you must check out his reporting on his site America Two News hosted by Ghost. That's America Two news, and we are going to connect the dots between Trump, Epstein, and Russia, as well as the far right Republican traitors in their long game to hijack American democracy and live above the law. Before we get into that, I want to ground everybody in how extraordinary and criminal and corrupt Epstein's sweetheart deal was that he signed in September, 2007 under Republican President George Shelby Bush. John Ashcroft was Attorney General at the time, and representing the United States government in southern Florida was federal US attorney Alex Acosta.
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And what is significant here is that the female FBI agent, her name was Nesbitt Kuyrkendall, she had put together an airtight case that would land Jeffrey Epstein pedophile behind bars for the rest of his life. There's something like 40 counts in this airtight document. She promised several of his survivors that the FBI would finally get this man and the Palm Beach Florida detectives that were first on this investigation were working with the FBI, helping them, giving them the whole backstory, tracking the case, being supporters, and they were convinced that should Epstein's go to trial, that would be it. Prison for Life for Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Instead, what happened was far right republican attorney Ken Starr, that Ken Starr flew from Los Angeles to Florida and met with Alex Acosta and pretty soon Epstein's legal team, which included a who's who of far right Republican lawyers who found themselves in key positions during hostile takeovers of our democracy, including Ken Starr was the lawyer that led the operation against Bill Clinton for sexually harassing, getting a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky, which he should never have done, which was predatory obviously.
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But Ken Starr led the operation to make sure that Clinton's impeachment of being a predator hurt the Democrat's chances in 2000, allowing George W. Bush to come to power in a very close election. And then of course you have far right Republican criminal defense attorney, Alan Dershowitz, who's always on Fox News spouting far right talking points. This is who is advocating for long time sadistic pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein. And so pretty soon Alex Acosta and his team stopped meeting in government buildings and would meet in private hotel buildings offices. They were asking Epstein's defense team to use Gmail private email addresses and denying illegally denying the victims their rights, the transparency that they are legally required to have in a case like this. They did this secret deal completely in secret, a coverup giving Epstein and all of his co-conspirators immunity in every single state as well as federally for all of their crimes, right?
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And so Epstein's own victims were denied their part of constitutionally protected due process. So this sweetheart deal was corrupt, broke the law, and was just part of a larger, far right real life documented conspiracy, a shadow network. Remember here on Gaslit Nation, we've had the historians, Nancy McLean, who wrote Democracy and Chains and Ann Nelson who wrote The Shadow Network, who both documented the decades long plan by the far right to hijack our democracy so they could like Jeffrey Epstein, one of their pals live above the law. That is what this is all about. And Peter Thiel was also, as we see in the Epstein files that have been released so far, was very close with Epstein as well because Peter Thiel is trying to continue this campaign by creating what's called the network state, basically fiefdoms, isolated fiefdoms that these oligarchs can live above the law, including pedophilia should they want to, right? Peter Thiel's efforts are basically a continuation of what Epstein built. These are the stakes right now for us. That is why we have to demand accountability, especially overturning these completely illegal immunity deals. So here to walk us all through it is the wonderful Dave Troy, who I've been a long time admirer of because he is the one that helps connect the dots. So Dave, what are you seeing from everything that I just laid out there, what strikes you?
Dave Troy (06:35):
Well, obviously this is a deep and rich history and there's lots and lots of layers that we'll definitely be getting into and we could talk about for a long time. But from my perspective, this case, when it really first hit public attention in 2019, it was odd to me because the information about Jeffrey Epstein being mentored in part by Don Barr was weird to me because Don Barr actually was a mentor to my father back in the late 1950s. My dad was part of a program at Columbia University, it was a science program for teenagers, and they were looking for the smartest kids in New York City. And my dad went to this program, he thought it was great, and Don Barr wrote him a great recommendation letter for jobs and things like that. And he thought he was a really great educator. So I knew about Don Barr from Personal Connections going back a long ways when this all broke.
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I started talking to my father about it. I was like, Hey, what do you know about this? What does this deal with Epstein and how did he end up at Dalton and all this? And my dad's basic answer was, I don't know, because I never saw anything weird or anything connected to intelligence or anything that would suggest that there was anything other than just a passionate educator at play. So that caught my attention, and I've been following this as well as a lot of related topics since then. And for many years I've been studying basically Russian spy networks, and that's a specialty of yours as well. And so over time, what we saw was that these networks started to overlap much, much more consistently. And then as these new document dumps have been made available, we see that there's just so much overlap. For instance, I started mapping out people connected to Bannon and people connected to Epstein and people connected to Thiel and other people in the mix, and people in Russia and people from the seventies and all kinds of different movements.
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And what we find is that it all intercepts with each other in the Epstein revelations. And so that's why partly when people were talking about, well, Epstein's clearly working for Israel and Mossad, I'm like, not so fast. Let's look at what the network connections are here, what the motives are, what the goals seem to be, what it was he was trying to do over time. And I basically come to the conclusion similar to what you have is that there's this kind of shadow network, and you could call it a sort of an alternate network of power. It sometimes behaves in far right ways, but it also behaves just in pursuit of absolute power. And you see people like Kathy Rumbler getting pulled into it, which is interesting.
Andrea Chalupa (09:10):
She was of course a candidate to be attorney general under Obama.
Dave Troy (09:17):
She was also counsel to Obama for about two years in the Obama White House.
Andrea Chalupa (09:21):
And then she became the boy of for Goldman Sachs.
Dave Troy (09:24):
And she was also...
Andrea Chalupa (09:24):
Sachs,
Dave Troy (09:25):
And she was at another law firm, something BNL, I forget what the stands for, but she was there for several years and she was basically acting as a shadow attorney for Epstein. When Epstein had problems, he would ping her and then she would be the fixer and sort it out. So what I kind of look at is like, well, what is the broader arc here? And you look at Epstein and kind of where he came from, it's pretty clear he's got roots very close to Robert Maxwell. Ghislaine. Maxwell likes to say that Jeffrey and her father didn't ever meet, but I don't think that's necessarily true based on some of the network connections that exist. Epstein was working with arms dealers and stuff in the late eighties. This was Robert Maxwell's network. They also both ended up at the Santa Fe Institute. There's just too much overlap for that not to be.
Andrea Chalupa (10:18):
And I have to point out Robert Maxwell, who was a confirmed intelligence officer, a spy for Mossad Israeli intelligence, and part of his portfolio were the Soviet states. And he wielded his influence by being this larger than life personality in British society. And he just couldn't help himself. His hand was all over the cookie jar and he was pillaging his own media company and sing people's pensions. So he got too sloppy, he got too high on his own supply and ended up likely murdered. Epstein himself believed that he was murdered off of his yacht in the Canary Islands named after his favorite kid, The Lady Ghislaine, that was the name of the yacht.
Dave Troy (11:02):
Yeah, November 5th, 1991.
Andrea Chalupa (11:04):
Yes. And it was Robert Maxwell who had his son make sure to introduce Ghislaine to Jeffrey Epstein. So it was Robert Maxwell who got these two monsters, Ghislaine and Epstein together in the first place. Go on.
Dave Troy (11:21):
Yeah. So let's talk about how that maybe happened. It turns out that in about 1987, the guy who was the head of the KGB Vladimir Koff came to the realization that the country was headed for tough times. Let's put it that way. There began an effort to exfiltrate communist party funds out of the Soviet Union into the west. And the only way you're going to do that is with people with Western banking connections. So who did Koff turn to? He turned to Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell in turn turned to Sam Ullevi. These people worked.
Andrea Chalupa (11:53):
Brady Dawn, the head of the Russian mafia, Ukrainian by origin, go on.
Dave Troy (11:57):
And so these people worked together basically to exfiltrate all this money out into the west. And so some of the reports that we're seeing now on the current Epstein releases that Epstein was Putin's money manager, which is kind of an unverified allegation, but it has a kind of truthy root in what was really going on here most likely. And certainly your point about Robert Maxwell is well made if you actually study the intelligence files on him, everything is about Russia. Like yes, he has connections to Israel, but the reason why he has connections to Israel is because Russia for decades spent an incredible amount of effort to shape Israel as it was being formed by way of immigration. So what was Robert Maxwell doing? He was helping Russians get visas and passports to go settle Israel to shape Israel in Russia's interests. And Jeffrey Epstein was talking about doing the same thing with Ehud Barak.
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So I'd look at it in terms of this broader, really, you can go back further, but I'd like to look at it sort of from 1945 forward because that kind of provides an easy stopping point where you can look at this one chapter of history and study that kind of as a whole. And everything that is going on right now with this is consistent with what the kg B'S goals have been relative to the West for the last 80 years. And if you think about Vladimir Putin as being fundamentally a KGB guy at heart who was embarrassed in 1989 because of what was going on with the wall, and there he was in Dresden trying to be a little kgb, sch slub and keep things together, and he wasn't getting orders from up above. He is avenging. And of course, KV was his boss at the time.
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So he's avenging what happened in the late eighties and trying to restore the honor of the KGB. He's also trying to restore the Romanoff empire and the Russian Empire to try to kind of restore Russia's former glory. And he's got a lot of stories that he tells himself about the unity of the Russian people and the Ukrainian people and all of that, which is another great myth that has been used to drive this kind of imperialism. So I think it's all kind of a piece. And the more detail, the more granularity we get, the more we see that Epstein was not some kind of independent, rogue capitalist malif factor. He was plugged into this broader set of interests that has gained allies, people like Peter Thiel, people like Elon Musk over the years. And those people are helping to advance this agenda as well.
Andrea Chalupa (14:43):
Absolutely. And it's all, like you said, part of this, shared birds of feather flock together quest for absolute power living above the law, an oligarchy like what they have in Russia. The reason why Obama's foreign policy failed in part when it came to trying to contain the Russian threat was because they counted on the Russian oligarchs themselves leading a palace coup against Putin not understanding that their security depended completely on living above the law internationally and all of their illegal trades, these were the oligarchs made their fortune in polluting the earth, polluting the planet, arms trades, like you said, human trafficking, pedophilia and so on. And so why would they give all that up for democracy? And so Obama's sort of Boy Scout approach was one of the most dangerous consequential foreign policy failures that helped get us here because it was weak, and Putin just steamrolled over it to help bring his longtime asset, Donald Trump to power.
Dave Troy (15:56):
Right.
Andrea Chalupa (15:56):
They're not sitting in some ice castle like Superman villains plotting world domination. I'm sure they do that in their own way.
Dave Troy (16:05):
Yeah they like to try, but
Andrea Chalupa (16:06):
Right, exactly. I'm sure they have their moments, but it's just they all are, they share the same narcissistic, greedy values basically. And what's really telling, one of the stories that I'm tracking is how Steve Bannon was, how much he emailed with Epstein, including sharing his plans to lead a right wing coup to overthrow what he saw as a Marxist Vatican. And I think that's an important story to track because however you feel about the Catholic church, they have massive global influence. And right now, Bannon and the far right is leading an effort to starve the Catholic Church of donations, telling people they are all so Marxists, don't give them money. And by doing so, they're hoping that they can influence and get their own people in positions of power. And maybe something might happen, a Pope Leo, he gets a heart attack, let's say, and now they get to elect a new pope. And that could be more somebody that Bannon can be a puppet master of. And what would that do? Bannon, who was friends with pedophile Putin pedophile? Well, pedophile Putin is,
Dave Troy (17:13):
There are allegations issues about that too, but yeah.
Andrea Chalupa (17:15):
Yes. And so Bannon, who's friends with the pedophile, Epstein, who brought pedophile Trump to power, what would he then do to the Catholic church that has just gone through decades of settling lawsuits for pedophilia? They would then become another pedophile operation under Bannon's. Far right coup. So that's another story to track.
Dave Troy (17:39):
I've been writing some about that too over the years where Putin envisions also that Moscow is going to become the third Rome and be the ultimate sort of inheritor of the world church power. Bannon's faction wanted Lan to be the Pope instead of Leo. And so I was very worried that in fact, that was the way things were going to go because it seemed like a pretty tight vote. But yeah, for now, that's been for Saul. But the end state that I think that Putin and Bannon would be happy with is this idea of Moscow third Rome, which is part of an old prophecy that is animating some aspects of this kind of Russian worldview. And you bring up a very good point too about sort of the Obama boy scottishness of this, where one of the biggest problems that we in the west have had is projecting our ideas about how we think things work onto other cultures.
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And I don't claim to be a Russia expert by education, but I am educated on the subject because I've spent a decade with my head up in that business really trying to understand it. And what I can comprehend is that there are different ways of seeing the world. And if you come at it from their perspective, which is largely one of having a chip on their shoulder and a feeling of cultural superiority rooted in centuries of isolation, backwardness, you see the world a bit differently. And when we try to project our ideas about how the world works onto them and then try to predict what they're going to do or think based on those projections, we always get it wrong. And this is the fundamental problem of that whole reset doctrine back in 2012 or whatever it was. It's the fundamental problem with a Jake Sullivan trying to figure out how to fuel the defense of Iraq, or sorry, not Iraq, defense of Ukraine and miscalculating that.
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And now here we are four years to the day practically into a war that probably could have been put to bed in a month or two months if Ukraine had been given enough munitions and other logistical support to actually stop this war Instead, it's been a slow bleed. And the side effects of that slow bleed have been the erosion of the eu. NATO of the UN is now under threat from this board of peace nonsense. So unfortunately, the Ukraine War is a standin for this broader proxy war with the west, and we keep getting it wrong.
Andrea Chalupa (20:08):
Absolutely. Thank you for saying that. And again, the Kremlin's aggression has been worked out. All the experiments they've done with the disinformation, the golden handcuffs buying off the politicians election hacking, that all was experimented on first by the Kremlin in Ukraine. And then they brought those dark arts to help bring Donald Trump to power illegally in 2016. And as I'm digging into all the Epstein viles, I just keep seeing Russia, the Russian operation, to get Donald Trump elected in 2016. I think part of what happened was they knew that eventually Epstein survivors, the lawyers, the civil cases, the good detectives in Palm Beach County that were getting harassed by the private investigators that Epstein was hiring to openly harass them, go through their trash, make them know that they and their family are being followed and so on. I think Epstein knew that the cat was out of the bag.
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It was going to be a matter of time. So they had to get their guy elected president in 2016. And who better than Trump, who has been on the Lolita private jet at least eight times that we know of so far, where several crimes were committed, even though Trump had his own private jet and didn't need to hitch a ride. And he was longtime friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were just two of several pedophiles in Donald Trump's orbit. We have talked about those pedophiles in previous episodes, so I'll link to that in the show notes. You can find it there. But I think the larger operation is you just had all of these powers. You had Russia that needed to get the sanctions dropped, right? So that's why they were getting involved in helping bring Trump to power. In 2016. You had Julian Assange who was holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
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He needed to get rape charges dropped, he needed to be forgiven, get some sort of refuge somewhere. So he was making sure that WikiLeaks was a Kremlin cut out grabbing the hacked Russia's hacked DNC materials and weaponizing them against the Democrats, all to inflict maximum damage. You had then, of course, Donald Trump who had had several investigations against him and his family, including one for fraud and Soho, Trump that targeted Ivanka and Don Jr. And they had the family lawyer payoff the DA at the time, Sance Jr. So you had all of these powers that needed to come to power and basically get rid of their problems, get rid of the investigators, in fact, investigate the investigators, put a target on the heads of those who are trying to uphold the law. And on top of that, you had their friend Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, who were very much in the mix. Bannon even said to Epstein, you were my biggest fear in the 2016 election that people to find out about you and how close we were with you,
Dave Troy (23:10):
Right? Yeah, no, and you're really correct that everything was tied together. And so it created this kind of forcing function where if they didn't prevail, then everybody was going down. Now in practice, maybe they could have done some damage control and rerouted and whatever. I mean, stuff happens, but there were just a lot of interconnected interests that all became very tightly dependent on one another. And I mentioned in some of my recent reporting too, that when Epstein started to realize that these cases weren't going away, what he did was he started to try to infiltrate the legal team of the victims. So he basically first tried to hack the database that the lawyers were using to track the documents. And then when that didn't work, he basically brought in his old buddy Stan Pottinger, it looks like, because Stan Pottinger and Epstein had worked together back in the early eighties.
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And I don't think that that was ever disclosed to the victims that these two had a previous business relationship. The New York Times just reported on the actual business relationship back in November or December of this year or last year. So yeah, it's a very sort of tenuous situation where it just created kind of a cascading set of outcomes that had to go a certain way, otherwise everybody was going down. And what's interesting now is that now that all of these revelations are starting to come out and people are starting to put the pieces together, what I've been kind of asking is, okay, well what does damage control look like for this network? Or in fact, did they even do this as a controlled demolition in order to plan for whatever the next phase is? And I think we see some pieces of that starting to come together.
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It's a little murky still, but if you look at somebody like a Thomas Massey who has been leading the charge on all of this disclosure stuff, it's great that the Epstein stuff is being disclosed. It should be, and it should have been a long time ago. On the other hand, if you want to see somebody that's consistently wrote it with Russia for the last, since he's been in Congress, look at Thomas Massey and Ana is not far behind. So what it looks like they're trying to do now is to put together some kind of a unity package with Massey and Kana kind of leading the charge to clean everything up. And yet it still kind of maintains the control by this adversary network under a new rubric and a new style perhaps. But it's not necessarily the breaking free of the choke hold that we might like to see. It's sort of an evolution...
Andrea Chalupa (25:45):
Controlled opposition, if you will,
Dave Troy (25:47):
Which is what they've been doing in Russia and of course through throughout the Iron Curtain countries in the forties and fifties and stuff. So nothing new under the sun, but you have to kind of understand that that's part of the vocabulary, and you should be on the lookout for that. And I'm very suspicious of Massey's long-term arc. I mean, he's proposed, he's written legislation to take the US out of nato. He calls it the not a Trustworthy Organization Act. He has written legislation to end the Federal Reserve, which is those are the two top policy agendas of Putin. So we should not trust Thomas Massey. We can use Thomas Massey, but we shouldn't trust him.
Andrea Chalupa (26:27):
Thank you for saying that. And the same goes for o hanna. I know he's a darling of the progressive left. Look at where he represents
Dave Troy (26:37):
Silicon Valley. Yeah, he's done fundraisers with David Sachs and Ro Khann is relatively friendly with Thiel's Network and must network as well, although he denies it. But I mean, in terms of who he's representing, it's basically that network.
Andrea Chalupa (26:51):
Absolutely. The fascist, the crypto fascists are in Ro Khanna's own backyard. Look at his votes in Congress on those issues. Look at how he conveniently misses votes on holding Peter Thiel accountable. Look at where he's Investing his money.
Dave Troy (27:07):
Look at votes on Ukraine too. I mean, it's a similar kind of thing. He's very wishy washy on Ukraine. That whole squad Nexus has a bunch of very strange ties to both people connected to Thiel as well as people connected to Roy Singham. Roy Singham, his wife is Jody Evans of Code Pink, and they've got huge connections to China and it's a whole thing. So again, I'm not saying that everybody that might be on our side is bad person or whatever. I'm just saying sort of trust, but verify and verify a lot because you really need to look for alignment with both Russia and China on this stuff because that's where you'll see, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do and keep an eye on that over time, because really that's what matters. And my thinking is that I think Trump's days are kind of numbered.
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I mean, obviously constitutionally he can't run again. Of course that may or may not stop him, but even if he did want to run again, I don't think that he's really got the juice to do that. I think that at this point, there's more momentum around replacing him with somebody new or putting Vance in Musk. And Thiel would be very happy with Vance whether or not they're going to get their way or not. It's hard to say. I feel like that Trump is kind of on the way out. So to the extent that people are super obsessed with Trump, yeah, sure, you should be, he's a crazy dictator person. But at the same time, keep an eye on what's next. We really want to get out of this. We need to come up with a pathway that actually delivers us to someplace that's better than where we are now. Vance is better than where we are now. It's at least as bad.
Andrea Chalupa (28:41):
It would be the same criminal transnational crime syndicate, let's put it that way. It would be the same criminal network and competing against Peter Thiel and Elon Musk who represent Vance, like Vance is their fighter in the ring. Competing against them is of course Jared Kushner and Steve Whitaker. Whitaker has his own sons who are just as corrupt and trying to cash in as much as they can as Don Jr. And Eric. So Whitaker and Kushner are right now the Shadow Secretary of State, oh wit, sorry. So wit, wit and Kushner are right now our shadow Secretary of State taking, they're taking a trip to Iran to try to broker some deal there.
Dave Troy (29:28):
And I mean they, they're fresh off of going to Russia and talking to them, and now they're like, what? I thought we had people that were appointed in the cabinet to do this as opposed to these rando real estate developers
Andrea Chalupa (29:39):
Who are trying to enrich through crypto, through real estate deals, through nuclear deals and so on. I'll link to some recent reporting we've done here on the show in regards to their corrupt, unconstitutional business ventures. And I want to remind everyone again that Russian disinformation agent, Tulsi Gabbard, that Trump installed as the head of all US intelligence as the director of National Intelligence, she just is right now leading a coverup of an NSA report capturing Jared Kushner being discussed by two foreign operatives about what we don't know yet.
Dave Troy (30:15):
Yep. Yeah, no, and I mean, what's crazy is that the overlap between the people in this administration and the people in the Epstein files as well as the people involved in this Board of Peace thing are basically, it's a Venn diagram that's almost fully overlapping. I mean, it's these same exact people and the Board of Peace thing, I've done some reporting on that as well. And one of the things that I found is that it has no legal organizational entity. It doesn't exist as a thing. So I got curious because I was like, you know what I should do is I should make board a piece that would be cool and put something silly on 'em. And I thought, well, let's see who actually owns the trademark. And I looked it up, and it's the US Patent and Trademark Office that's holding their trademarks. There is no organization.
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And so I asked a patent trademark attorney that I'm friends with, and I said, how is this possible that the patent and trademark office is holding on behalf of this non-existent organization? He says, I've never seen anything like this. It's unprecedented. It's illegal. It violates the Atlanta Act, which is the law that creates patent and trademark law. So fundamentally what that shows is that this thing is not governed by any nation's laws. And so if they want to, what they can basically do is use it as leverage using the executive authority of all of the members countries to try to influence the UN or worse, destroy the un. I mean, basically, and I'm not a big un defender, let me say, but I don't think the UN deserves to be extorted out of existence by a bunch of, basically, as you say, a transnational criminal mafia, which is what this Board of Peace thing represents. So it's crazy what we're allowing to happen. And unfortunately we have so kind of just gotten used to the idea that American mechanisms of government and governance will just continue on and persist, that we can't imagine that something like this Board of Peace could spiral out of control into some kind of a global takeover mechanism. But really what's stopping it? Nothing.
Andrea Chalupa (32:29):
No one.
Dave Troy (32:30):
Yeah, exactly. And right now, sure, Trump is definitely the heavy hitter in the mix, but I mean, Putin's going to join. We know he will. And China, who knows what they're going to do. They have their own things to worry about. But in general, if Putin joins and they see it as a way to sort of reshape the world into this multipolar existence that they've been obsessed with, then yeah, they'll probably join too. So if that happens, what do we then do? We're basically up against a transnational mafia that's an intent on using force to affect whatever outcomes they want anywhere in the world.
Andrea Chalupa (33:10):
Pirate pillage, that's what Greenland is about. That's what Venezuela is about. We want the oil. They just had longtime Epstein friend Ron Lauder, the billionaire, the he of the Estee Lauder fortune. He just got himself a lithium deal out of Ukraine.
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The one that planted the idea of Greenland in Trump's head, and he's all up in the Epstein files. Epstein was a buddy of his. This really is a ruling elite cabal of sadist who have no problem robbing, sThieling, dehumanizing people, the fact that no one stopped them. It's one of the largest US intelligence and law enforcement failures in and also the history of the world. This is going to go down in history of showing that our law enforcement itself, the DOJ, the FBI were complicit. John Ashcroft was Attorney General. George W. Bush was president. This is on them too, not just Alex Acosta, who should be hounded for the rest of his life in public wherever he goes next.
Dave Troy (34:13):
Well, just to reinforce your point, I mean, at the end of the day, we know that the US government has been infiltrated by these types of networks for decades, certainly going back to 1945, but also well before that, if you look at all the stuff going on with spying and stuff, there's just tons of documentation about this, and we know how they work and what their goals are and that stuff, the idea that that went away at some point is just not realistic. At the end of the day, there are networks of influence that are sympathetic with hostile foreign powers for a variety of reasons. And at various times they have had undue control of our state level institutions. And I fully believe that when the final accounting is done, we will see that networks around people like Charles McGonigal out of the New York Field office with the FBI, and I don't know what the hell's gone on with this. Kathy Rumer, who was the council in the Obama White House, she should have had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein in 2012 and 2014 when she was paling around with them. It's unconscionable that that kind of thing was going on, and yet we see it in black and white. So I think you're right. I mean, this is a result of institutional capture that spans decades.
Andrea Chalupa (35:33):
Without question. I wanted to ask you about David Boyce. Tell us who he is and what you found in your reporting, because he is a name that pops up throughout this and being one of the villains of history.
Dave Troy (35:45):
Well, I mean, he's a super high power attorney, and we discussed that he turned up in the 2000 election case in Florida and ended up sort of throwing into the towel in which delivered to victory to George B. Bush. But what I was looking at was the Epstein case with the victims that Brad Edwards was representing. And it's just the weirdest thing where Stan Pottinger, who was this guy who had also been involved with a variety of KGB connected cases, and for example, he reopened the inquiry into Martin Luther King's assassination to see if it was really true, that kind of thing. And he was the guy that put to bed the final truth on the Kent State Massacre case. So there was just a whole string of these cases where Stan Pottinger was like the guy,
Andrea Chalupa (36:37):
Where did he fall on the MLK assassination? Because the family took the government to court, and the judge ruled that the FBI was involved in the assassination, but then the DOJ ran its own investigation, investigated itself.
Dave Troy (36:52):
Basically, he was the guy that, he was the guy that ran that DOJ investigation, and he basically said, yeah, we didn't do it, and that it went the way that it was originally reported. And there's some more complexities to it than that.
Andrea Chalupa (37:05):
Th So basically, you're giving us confirmation here that the FBI that killed Martin Luther King Jr. And that the court case that the family brought was correct?
Dave Troy (37:13):
Well, it may well have been. I mean, I think what I would put it more as just that Pattinger seems to have been pulled into situations repeatedly over decades where it was necessary to kind of establish a final version of history and to shape kind of what really happened. And so he was involved in some other high profile cases. And so he basically called up Brad Edwards, who was the attorney for a couple of the Epstein victims, and said, Hey, and he called him up late at night, midnight or something and says, Hey, I heard you're representing some of these Epstein people. I might have somebody as well that would want to work with you on that. Would you consider teaming up with me? And also David Boyce on these cases. And Brad Edwards was kind of like, maybe, I don't know, let's get together and talk about it, because he was quickly getting overwhelmed with volume of work for these cases and stuff.
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So he went to New York and met with Pottinger and Epstein, and his first red flag was that, I guess it was the David Boyce office was in the same building, I think it was 5 75 Lexington. It was in the same building as Darren Dyke's office, which is Jeffrey Epstein's attorney. And so he was kind of like, oh, is this a setup of some kind? What's going on? And so in Brad Edwards memoir, he talks about meeting them and feeling suspicious about it and just not sure. And ultimately he decides like, oh no, they're actually good guys. And he goes with them and starts working with them. And then Pottinger ends up having an affair with Maria Farmer. It seems, I didn't write that report that extensively in writing because it's mercury sourced. She's this kind of thing she would say on podcasts, and then the podcasts will get deleted.
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So it's not highly credible material. But at any rate, it's a very weird situation. And Boyce basically injected himself in the middle of it. And it looks like that Boyce and Epstein had some kind of a personal relationship going back as far as 2005 based on files that had been available that he left a phone message for Jeffrey Epstein in 2005 as if he would know who it was. So the overall impression that you get is of a sort of a tight-knit network of people that have been deployed to control the outcome of where things are going. And this is typical with spy networks and stuff, and I'm very skeptical of claims. There's a ton of stuff in these latest revelations that are like 20 19, 20 20, 20, 21 and later that are basically just unsourced allegations. And I call 'em fan fiction because they're things that people email into the FBI and then it ends up in the records and it's like, well, some of these things could be true, but a lot of 'em are just madde up stories.
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And so I think we have to be use critical thinking to try to separate out what can be verified historically and from primary source documents from speculation. But even with that lens in place, if you do appropriate research, and I've done, I think about 1400 FBI FOIer requests at this point on really looking at people connected to different parts of these networks spanning a hundred years. And when you do that level of research, you start to get a picture of just what the networks are, what the goals are. So I think it's been interesting because with all this Epstein stuff, there was a lot we could learn just from the open source stuff that was already out there, but I basically was like, well, let's see what these document dumps hold. Maybe it'll show something I don't expect, but it is confirming everything that I already was sussing out. And it's making it a lot more detailed. Honestly. We have much more information now about how this all worked, and I did not suspect that the connection between Epstein and Bannon would be as deep as we see here. I figured there would be some maybe one degree overlap, but they were best pals.
Andrea Chalupa (41:25):
They were in the trenches together. WEpstein ere and Bannon were in the trenches together. Yeah.
Dave Troy (41:28):
Yeah. But that's why more as much of this stuff out there as we can is I think good. It will help to expose this. And as much as I think it's easy for people to be kind of demoralized by all of this, and that's really what the adversary here is counting on is that we'll just be so overwhelmed and unable to sense make this, that they can kind of move on with their next phase. But I do think that we have a shot at kind of unwinding some of this and getting ahead of it because people will now kind of believe that, yeah, there actually has been a concerted decades long effort to kind of subvert democracy, not just in America, but around the world.
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